Keto has become almost too popular for your own good lately! That means that misinformation is spreading almost faster than the good news.
Especially regarding Intermittent Fasting for women, there is a lot of misleading information out there, here you can listen to the real experience of a woman doctor and her tips for doing it right.
In this interview I got pick Dr. Lisa’s brain, she is a keto veteran like me, and specifically a keto paleo veteran, which is quite rare! She has a huge amount of experience in clinical practice and saw the results of good and bad keto habits in both herself and her patients.
In this fun interview you will learn why you will want to do do keto paleo as a woman and how to do IF right so it does not ruin your life and your looks!!
Lot’s of helpful insights and tips!
PS you can check out this post with some more good info for IF!!
Scroll down for interview’s transcript!
Main points
- Keto Paleo for women, why do it
- The issues with dairy and women’s hormones
- How to feel great in 10 years
- Dr Lisa’s story
- Consequences of indiscriminate Intermittent Fasting for women
- Signs of adrenal fatigue
- Different styles of keto for different types
- Tips for doing the right keto for you
Resources
Dr Lisa’s Website
Subscribe to my Youtube channel
Dr. Lisa Olszewski Bio
Dr. Lisa Olszewski is a passionate wellness advocate who shares the message of healthy living with members of her practice and all who cross her path. Dr. Lisa maintains a family wellness practice in Chelsea, Michigan and strives to be a healthy living role model for her practice members as well as those in her community. She has a Bachelors of Science in Biomedical Science and is graduate of Palmer College of Chiropractic. She also has post graduate work in both Chiropractic Wellness and Pediatrics, and is also a Board Certified Naturopath. She founded the American Institute of Healthy Living in 2017, creating a place for the general consumer to learn simple, sustainable steps to create lifelong healthy habits. She coordinated the Keto 101 Virtual Summit launching April 24, 2018 to help people learn more about the role nutrition- specifically ketogenic nutrition- plays in health and healing.
Lisa has served both state and national organizations within the Chiropractic profession for nearly twenty years. She made history in Michigan in 2013 when she became the first woman to serve on the Executive Committee for their state association. In her personal life, Dr. Lisa loves to travel (she’s been known to hop on a plane to meet friends for dinner.) She has a passion to ignite a fire in others to help them reach their full potential so they too can be a role model to inspire others.
Audio Transcription
Hello welcome to the nourishcaveman.com where Vivica Menegaz certified technician in the whole food nutrition presents ‘Nutrition in the Kitchen’.
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Vivica: Good morning everybody. This is Vivica. How’re you doing today? I am so excited to start my interview serious again here after the remodeling of the website and it’s time to start again. I’m excited to bring you some really interesting people with some great experiences and point of views and a world of expertise about ketogenic diet, keto lifestyle; especially keto paleo and especially for women. So today, I’m excited to bring you a wonderful guest is Dr. Lisa. And Dr. Lisa is a passionate wellness advocate. She has a Bachelor of Science in biomedical science and is a graduate of Palmer College of Chiropractic.
She also has a postgraduate work in both Chiropractic Wellness and Pediatrics. And she’s a board-certified naturopath. She founded the American Institute of a Healthy Living in 2017. So this is to create a place for general consumer to learn simple and sustainable steps to create lifelong healthy habits. Also, she coordinated a Keto 101 virtual summit which is launching on April 24th, so coming up very soon. And I am a speaker in the summit. I am really excited to welcome you Dr. Lisa how you doing today? Welcome.
Dr. Lisa: I am doing great. Thanks so much for having me. It’s such an honor to be here.
Vivica: Thank you, thank you. So we; Dr. Lisa and I. We had a previous interview for the Keto Summit 101 and we discovered that we have a lot of ideas in common and a lot of we’re very you know, our experiences and our views on the ketogenic diet and the keto lifestyle are very similar. So I was excited to pick a professional’s brain; a chiropractor, naturopaths. Like is amazing. So I have a specific topic that I kind of wanna tackle today. But that’s kind of I wanna hear a little bit about your experience with the ketogenic diet and see how it’s been for you and the benefits that you got from doing keto. Along you’ve done keto. What kind of keto you do? And yeah, tell us a little bit about that to start.
Dr. Lisa: Yeah, so I think it’s one of those things because I’ve been talking with my patients a lot recently. And they’re like, well you’ve always taught a paleo nutrition plan in the office and we always you know, I’ve been teaching that since 2005 before paleo was even a cool term, right. But we always taught our patients let’s look at our ancestors because we know Paleolithic man lived to be pretty long when he had long active lives unless he was like eaten by a bear or something. So let’s mimic what they used to do. And so, we would always teach our patients you know lots of good proteins, lots of good fats, very minimal carbohydrates. And so that was where I stemmed there.
And so I always told our patients we were doing a low carb paleo plan, but I never told them we were doing keto. Because back in 2005 had we said the word keto, people automatically would have thought Atkins because that’s just what it was. So literally, it’s what we’ve always been teaching people with lower carb paleo. And so that’s how I have been. Gosh! How many years is that? Like almost well over a decade. Like yes, looking at 13 years. And so what had happened for me several years ago I got really frustrated because even though I wasn’t eating sugar and I was eating impeccable and I was working out five days a week. I was doing Crossfit. I was struggling with my weight. I was having heart issues trying to stay at a size 12.
So I got online, started searching a bunch of stuff, and started reading about intermittent fasting. So I started seeing that and I was following a bunch of male bloggers at that time because that’s who it was that was talking about it and I did it. I did a really strict form of it and we can dig into that later. But I did it, I lost weight, but I lost my health and I dug. I dug and I dug and I couldn’t figure out what was going on and then it started. Again I just had to go back to innately what I’ve been taught as a chiropractor, as a naturopath how your body adapts. And that’s what I realized like intermittent fasting is amazing for certain people ie. men. And for women, we just need to tweak it a little bit. And so we see that now especially where there are female bloggers.
You were one of them. I think that’s how I initially found you was as I just started trying to search. Because I was like there’s something going on different here with women, but nobody’s talking about it. So that was my story. So even now, I’m very much a …paleo keto plan because I still… There’s certain things that traditional keto diets are going to load up on a lot of dairy and I just… I don’t do tons of dairy. It just is something I don’t feel as if we’re all baby cows. And that’s literally cow’s milk is there for a baby cow to grow really, really big really, really fast.
And one of my Chiropractic Wellness diplomate that I did was with I guess it was a definitely program I never set for the different tests but what they’re all the classes was with Dr. James Cheston. And so people would be like well what about… I don’t know, okay. What about [inaudible] [05:53] things? Like are you a baby … or are you a baby [laughing]? Like let’s go back to it. So I mean there are places where almond milk not soy milk not at all. You and I probably follow that you know… Yeah, I’m just not a huge dairy fan [laughing] [6:11]
Vivica: I love that you use exactly the same analogy that I give my patients and my listeners and readers. Because yes, milk is designed to grow a really large animal into that big animal and is not just about you know like well we can really get into the dairy thing. But it is not just about the toxins, is not just about the stress hormones of the cow, it’s not just about the antibiotics and whatever is in conventional dairy, is not just about pasteurization. I mean there is a long list of reasons why we shouldn’t do dairy. And the natural hormones contained in the milk to grow that baby animal into a really big healthy animal that are perfectly appropriate for the animal, they just interfere with our own delicate hormone balance. And maybe is also why man do a little better with dairy if it all is so there is a long list is still there. But for women and especially women and a certain age when things start getting more delicate.
I think past 40 years old when you start standing up for peri-menopause anything that interferes with your hormone balance, it’s definitely you know, it’s not ideal. It’s not good. It’s a dangerous game. And yeah, I really I’m really like focus on adrenal and hormonal balance in my practice and I know that we just have a lot of experiences in common. And is what I find really beautiful is that coming, we never talked before we met the first time. But coming from very different experiences in different places. But in clinical practice with real patients, we came to the exactly the same conclusions.
Dr. Lisa: yeah
Vivica: And I’m not a doctor. I’m just a nutritionist, but I still you know, this is what I learned and this is what I see every day.
Dr. Lisa: So perspective with people I always tell people like what other mammal drinks the milk of another mammal? When you start thinking of you don’t see that, right? So when it’s like okay so why… you know I don’t know and you look at newborn babies and it’s amazing. Like breastfeeding is awesome, but it’s there to help them develop. And so just put it back into perspective as to why things are happening the way that they do so.
Vivica: Exactly and I think… I’m sorry, but though we have a certain topic in mind, but this is just a good to pass out so…
Dr. Lisa: You’re fine. That’s how I roll. Let’s just see how.8:51
Vivica: [Crosstalk] [8:51]. And we have both been doing… we just came exactly along the same path by doing paleo and then seeing that paleo needed to go further because it wasn’t quite resolving all the health issues that we found with ourselves, our own personal experience and then our patients as well so that’s why we came into ketogenic from the Paleo approach. But I think that paleo goes well beyond no dairy. And I’m a really big advocate of doing the opposite of what they now call lazy keto. You know when people just like eat whatever junk processed foods; anything even McDonald’s you know and then call it keto as long as it stays within their macros.
And I kind of live in this small world because I’m so busy all the time. So I have my patience, my practice, my studies, and the blog and that’s it pretty much. And when I look out there and what keto has become. And I’m sure that a lot more about it because organizing the summit, you have interviewed a lot of people and you have seen a lot of different varieties of opinions and how people do ketogenic. But I still think that we are very much aligned on the concept that ketogenic needs to be done a certain way when you really wanna talk about health, about the basis for a healthy living. Right Lisa? How’s that in your experience?
Dr. Lisa: Oh yes for sure. So again I’m always that person that looks at how does the body adapt because the body… And I tell all of our patients like what you are right now is a perfect representation of every decision you’ve made throughout your life. It’s so when people sit there and my common line that you’ll see a lot throughout the summit and this is what I tell my patients.
I told them is nobody wakes up and says, “I wanna feel lousy in 10 years, in 15 years. I think I’m gonna eat some bad food today and I’m gonna do this and I’m not gonna work out and I’m gonna get stressed out to the max. So that way by the time I’m 40 or 50 or 60 or 70, I’m just miserable.” But guess what? Everybody’s doing it because people come into my practice, people come into your saying, “I don’t know what happened.” and so that’s where I always look like how is our body adopting and so that’s why I just totally lost your question.
Vivica: Well that was pretty much the question. The influence of just doing the different kinds of keto because keto is not the magic bullet. A lot of people out there, they’re just like, “As long as I did keto, everything will go away.” And I’m sure you got a lot of patients like this as well that they think that they just wanna do a ketogenic diet and then he will fix all their ailments if you can just nail the macros you know or just…
Dr. Lisa: And that’s where it is. And so like for me, I did what I wanted to do and I lost the weight and it was great because people would be like, “Wow! You look awesome.” But I was screaming on the inside because I just totally wasn’t… I knew I wasn’t where I should be. But again, our society always looks at what we weigh as to if you’re healthy or not. And it’s actually like how is your body functioning, right? Like that’s really truly healthy. As a chiropractor that’s what I tell people all the time. It’s not the pain. It’s how is your body functioning? Because we always know somebody who thought they were healthy and they dropped out of a heart attack. So for me, what I’ve had to do is to do some carb updates every once in a while.
Some people would freak out when they heard that and say, “Whoa! Wait a minute. Why would you ever go over 20 grams of carbs or why would you ever do 100 grams of carbs per day?” But I also look at it again as our ancestors. There were time periods of feast and there were time periods of famine. And we know exactly that’s why ketosis happens in our body is for us to adapt in a time period of famine. But we also if you’re constantly in a famine time period, your body’s gonna adapt. That’s why I always share with people like intermittent fasting is awesome. But if a lady’s doing it, a cycling woman especially is doing it every single day for months on end (which is what I did). Go back to how our ancestors were.
Because what do you think innately happens in that body? That guy is fine. He’s got his testosterone. But the woman in childbearing years, they like literally, the body says, “Whoa! Stop it, timeout. She’s in famine. There is no way we could ever grow a baby right now. We better mess up her hormones.” And that’s what happens innately to us. So intermittent fasting has its place just not seven days a week, four weeks on end that turns into months on end. And so I see a lot of people saying, “I’m gonna start at 20 hours a day and I’m gonna run this for the next six months. And I’m like, “Let’s think again. Let’s look at how your body would adapt.”
Vivica: So in case you guys didn’t get it by now, but this is kind of a secret; not so secret topic of the day. Intermittent fasting, no, it wasn’t secret. It’s just… but we just jump right into it and that’s awesome. Because one of the reasons that I wanted to interview Dr. Lisa today and about intermittent fasting specifically is because during our previous conversation, it came up that she had this experience with it and I just… Let’s go back one step and tell us exactly what happened to you and what the causes. Like the whole progression because I tell this to my patient and I’m a big advocate of doing intermittent fasting the right way when appropriate.
But I had recently had an interview with a fellow practitioner who had it’s a very different opinion about it and it really pushes the agenda of intermittent fasting. Is kind of like the silver bullet solution for weight loss and saying that as long as you do it properly. But even when done properly. So let’s listen to Dr. Lisa explain what her experience was because she is a doctor. She is a practitioner. She is really savvy and wise and still with all that knowledge, let’s see what happened.
Dr. Lisa: Yeah, so even and it was me just sitting there thinking because I was listening to everybody online. Like I said a couple years ago, that’s the only people that were talking about it where I’m not gonna name names, but they were all male bloggers.
Vivica: yes
Dr. Lisa: So I did strict, strict, strict. I mean I didn’t have my first meal until like two, three in the afternoon and then I would have like a four to six hour window every single day that I was eating. And but I did that and I did it for three solid months. And so near the end of it, I was kind of I could tell that if something was off. And like the weight even kind of stalled coming off, but I had lost a chunk of weight with it. So even with that, it should have been a warning light to me to say, “Hmm something’s going on. Like you were losing where you stopped, you hit a plateau.
Like but there were certain things that I could tell just hormonally wise. Like I was exhausted. So let’s look at adrenal is probably thyroid; all of that. The whole endocrine access was totally that hypothalamus, pituitary, thyroid, adrenals, ovaries; everything. It all gets skewed especially when you’re in that. Because again the body adapts saying, “Stop it, wait a minute. She’s in famine time period.” And if she ever got pregnant, we couldn’t sustain a pregnancy. We better make sure like these hormones get out of the way.
Vivica: Wait, let me ask you certain things. Sorry to interrupt you just a clarification here. So did you have any hormonal issues before that?
Dr. Lisa: Oh I think I’ve always been having some sort of adrenal issues. I’m a small business owner.
Vivica: that’s right
Dr. Lisa: [Laughing] [16:24] and in all honesty I think majority of America has got some sort of [inaudible]
Vivica: So that’s a compromise to make that there are barely any people out there especially women that are not experiencing this kind of stress. And so when you add on… Like we already have all those different stressors on our body. Like the toxins, the mental stress, the job and then there is dieting up and down and then you introduce these other stressor to your adrenals. And then what happened to you?
Dr. Lisa: Oh my gosh! I started losing hair by the handfuls. I was always a person that would lose hair a lot. But it got really bad to the point that you start thinking like, “Oh my God! This can’t last much longer.” Just all sorts of stuff. My hormones, my female hormones totally got off balance; completely got off balance. But it was the constant fatigue. Like I could tell that I was in severe adrenal fatigue. What you know like the classic and art what you would say is like as the static hypertension.
But like going from sitting to standing or laying to sitting I would get dizzy, that type of stuff to the point that I was like oh classic. Like all of my indicators came up. Like okay I need [crosstalk] [17:41] Yeah, so like everything I remember ever learning was like check that box, check that… yep totally have stressed out the adrenals to the max which then when the adrenals are off that’s when you said it yourself up for thyroid issues and he said everything they’re all connected. If one’s out, something else has to pick up the slack, so that was for me. So is [crosstalk]
Vivica: So let me ask you something. Sorry, I’m interrupting you again, but this is really great information. And for the people who are gonna watch this video and our listeners. Like aside from the adrenal index test which is a saliva test, there are not really good ways for normal doctors you know they don’t even think that renal fatigue is real. But we know better from the holistic practitioner point of view. Of course we know better and we have to do and treat our patients all the time. So what are in your experience like the science? What like is a list of science that your adrenals are in trouble.
Dr. Lisa: Oh my goodness, right! So I think like you just said the medical community will look at it and they’ll look at it on the broad spectrum. Like cushios or…
Vivica: Right like they look and be like oh well you don’t have that. Well no, like your adrenals again they’re going to adapt with stress levels. And so I always tell people think of it again innately and how our ancestors worked. When you have a cup of coffee, you think it’s a cup of coffee. But all of a sudden, it’s spiking and it tells your adrenals to you know go on alert. And so your body innately thinks you’re running from a bear. And my classic line is I live an hour outside of Detroit, so that’s what I get is Detroit news. People are like, “Don’t you watch the news?” I’m like, “No, I don’t watch the news because if I turn that on first thing in the morning and I see about all the negativity that’s happening in Detroit, my body is instantaneously in fight-or-flight mode.”
And I just watched the Detroit News, but innately my body is like, “Oh my gosh! There’s a bear, run, get ready to be attacked.” And so you don’t need to set that up that way. But those are some of the things. So classic thing, everybody has got some sort of stressors in their life and we don’t… your body doesn’t recognize it like oh hey the kids are screaming. Oh hey it’s this. And neatly, you’re going into fight-or-flight mode. And so the symptoms of that when you get really long are gonna be the fatigue and that type of stuff. But depending on what stage you’re in, you could be just that person that’s like hey, I get a second wind at 10:00 at night and you think that’s fine.
But in reality, the cortisol levels which is what is released with their adrenals might be spiking at 10:00 at night instead of relaxing down where they should be. So it could be a whole gamut of different symptoms that somebody might be experiencing. But I think just most people unless you’re really truly nourishing yourself and nourishing those adrenal glands and even the amount of sugar that we consume as a typical American, that’s gonna stress out the body in a different way as well. I mean I just went in 500 different tangents I know that.
Vivica: This is all relevant to the topic believe me. And I think yeah, it gives people a really better idea that a lot of times, we try you know, I’ve had a patient tell me recently like a new patient and she was like yeah when I was getting more and more tired and then my colleagues at work, they just told me, “you need to drink more coffee that’s gonna fix it.” And that’s kind of the disbanded approach you know that… Again I’m sorry to say, but in the medical community like normal doctors, they have a lot of disbanded approach where they’re just like, “Oh yeah just take this pill or yeah drink more coffee. Or like oh how about an antidepressant? You must be depressed.” That’s like the fixit dog kill, right.
Dr. Lisa: Exactly, oh my gosh! Then on times I hear that yeah no.
Vivica: Yeah, so I know that we’re talking about a lot of different facets. But this is all really about like what can happen to you if you don’t do keto the right way and if you don’t listen? If you’re not aware of the physiology; underlying physiology of your body. Because for me, my biggest thing that I try to communicate to people is that there is no one-size-fits-all. And for certain things that might work even in the ketogenic world. Certain things might work for certain people. If you’re a 30-year old male body builder like keto king that guy out there that is like pumping at the gym all day long and like super muscle.
And he’s like yeah, my intermittent fasting, my coffee in the morning… He’s young. I mean younger and he’s a man and he’s a bodybuilder. So those are very different specific physiological types that we’re talking about. But like for me and my audience and like for you and probably most of your audience which is mostly women and for me also women who deal with things like perimenopause or hormonal issues because that is what I do in my practice. So we see a very different scenario. And so tell us what did you do to fix it then? [Inaudible] [23:02].
Dr. Lisa: I actually started eating carbohydrates. So I did a couple of carb ups like that way. I wasn’t completely…
Vivica: And Lisa what… Sorry, interrupting you again. What do you do for your carb ups? I’m sure that everybody’s just sitting [crosstalk] [23:18] ups.
Dr. Lisa: Like a sweet potato, right. So that’s where I was talking with another one of our speakers for the Keto 101 Summit earlier today. And I would told him to I said, “Please clarify exactly because people are gonna say, “Oh my gosh! This is my free thing to be able to go and eat a massive pizza.” No, it’s not. Like it’s still your good quality food. So like I’ll do a lot of sweet potatoes or maybe even some berries or some lower glycemic fruits. Since I started doing that, I actually up my fat because I was doing keto but I was doing like a lower keto. You know what I mean?
Vivica: mm-hmm
Dr. Lisa: So it did a little bit more fat and just really started paying attention to nourishing. And so I went back to eating breakfast and I did that for quite a while. And so it’s only been recently within like the last year that I’ll pull out like a 12-hour intermittent fasting. Sometimes, I’ll push it out even longer than that. Like we had just shared earlier I’ll do longer fast time periods. But I seriously sat and like nourished my body, nourish ourselves for a good six months after was just trying to re-heal my body.
Vivica: Yeah and I think that so what I would like to like make clear here for listeners and watchers; viewers. There is a way that we can do some intermittent fasting for sure. But it needs to come with a solid base. And for me personally, the base is keto adaptation done the right way which more and more I’ve been doing keto over five years and I’ve been using it in my practice for five years. And still to this day, I see more and more how tricky keto adaptation; real keto adaptation is and that’s a whole other topic. We might touch on it briefly. But so proper keto adaptation. And the second thing is if you have any hormonal issues, they need to be addressed especially adrenals, sex hormones and thyroid. You need to address those before you start intermittent fasting.
Dr. Lisa: Yeah, sometimes people don’t even realize that maybe their adrenal and thyroid issues coming from toxicity. You can chase that stuff for a long time so you really need to get those underlying issues addressed first.
Vivica: Yes and there is not a quick fix to this. It’s something that is step by step and it needs to be done pragmatically right?
Dr. Lisa: Yes and it’s truly a lifestyle too. I see so many people thinking that keto is such a quick fix for something. You know thinking because everybody puts keto with weight loss and like I’m just gonna do this for six weeks and drop some weight. I’m like why would you do that for six weeks? It would be like a smoker saying, “I’m just gonna quit smoking for six weeks and I’ll go back to it. It doesn’t make any sense. And so it’s one of those things like choose the lifestyle and to make sure that ten years from now again life is a lot better than you know, you don’t wanna be sicker so.
Vivica: Yeah and actually I wanna go back for a second to that great kind of attitude that you have and when you tell your patients about their choices. And like would you wanna make the choices that make you sick? Because they see a lot of younger people the ones that are doing lazy keto usually are younger people in their 20s and 30s. And I see like nowadays, I see a lot of very young people like in their 20s and 30s that have major endocrine issues. So sex hormones, really bad periods, [inaudible] [26:53] you name it. So why would you say to those people like, “Do you have any advice?” Because I know that I try to educate them. But do you deal with this kind of audience and how do you educate them?
Dr. Lisa: It is okay. Because I feel like when we were all 20 we never were like, “Ah gosh! I thought my parents were old at 40 and now I look at them, that’s nothing, right.” But we never think it’s gonna happen to us, but it is. Like you just said we have a whole generation of when we even look at the younger kids that are so sick. They’re probably not gonna live their parents life expectancy rate. Like just because of the issues that they have going on is so when and I like your term of lazy keto because that’s like when we see the guides of how can you do keto by eating at fast food restaurants and it’s like well we’re kind of missing the boat right. So it is. It’s one of those things that we’ve got to realize that every single decision and this again goes back to one of my mentors.
He used to always say this is like a rock in your backpack. So if you imagine every single morning starting out in a swimming pool full of water with a backpack on, every decision we make throughout the day is a rock. And sometimes, people choose things that are a boulder in their backpack. And I look at my patients and I say, “If you’re doing a boulder every single day, how long will you float?” Like let’s be a realistic. So yeah, lazy keto could be working for a little bit, but let’s really tune in and look at that and how long will you be floating. You might make it a little bit, but it’s gonna make quality of life at 50, 60, 70, 80 years old a whole lot better if you choose the right things now.
Vivica: Yes and I think I always call it like an investment into life that is the true health insurance. Like the whole system of insurance in the United States is kind of a grim picture. And I always tell my patients like this is your investment in health insurance. That what’s gonna keep you healthy not try to fix it when you’re already sick and it’s delayed.
Dr. Lisa: And that’s exactly when you talk to people that are like us that are literally making really good choices in our food and we’re choosing really good stores to make sure we’ve got clean foods that we’re eating and whole nutritional foods, people are gosh it’s so expensive to do that. But those dollars are not gonna be spent on health care later on. And when you look at us, we don’t have massive medical bills. Like so that’s the thing. Like not only am I not spending money and all of these crisis situations. I’m saving money in the long run and plus my health will probably be a whole lot better at 65 then.
Vivica: Yes and your brain as well because [crosstalk] [29:28]
Dr. Lisa: … at 50 that’s good right?
Vivica: I would like to preserve my brain. So any tips or like anything you would like to share with our viewers about your way of doing keto in your practice or like any juicy tips that you glean from the work that you do?
Dr. Lisa: I think my biggest thing is because oftentimes, people are like you’re just so overwhelming; everybody with all of this stuff. And it’s like no let’s just take it back a step. Because there are time periods that people walk into my practice as any patient and they’re like I wanna change everything and I wanna do this and I wanna do this. And I’m like let’s just stop. Let’s do one, let’s do one thing. Because if all you’re gonna do today is eat some spinach and you’re gonna do that for the rest of the year, that’s the only change that you make, will you be healthy or sicker in the year, right? So you probably can figure out by putting some good nutrients and people will probably be a little bit healthier in the year. So it’s the same type of thing. Let’s do these and simple sustainable steps.
And so even if it is if you’re already doing keto, but you’re doing you know, if you’ve got a lot of different foods i.e. let’s say dairy. What I would say is let’s challenge it and let’s start taking some of it out. Because a lot of times, people don’t realize how it’s such a high allergen food too and maybe you’ll see some different results with keto. If you just take baby steps because those baby steps are the things that will really truly survive and so that’s not a biggest thing right. And don’t give up on things. Like always continue to push on. I don’t even remember who told me this the other day. But I laughed and I thought it was so classic because so often, we’ll try something.
Oh I tried keto once it didn’t work, oh I tried that didn’t work. But we do that as adults all the time. But what is there ever an adult that looks at their newborn baby that’s not newborn, but like they’re eight month old that’s starting to walk or attempting to walk and to saying, “You know what? I don’t think walking is their thing. They probably… they’re not gonna make it, they’re falling too much. But none of us do that with our kids. Like we want them to walk and the same thing though how come we don’t allow us you know, if we make some mistakes it’s okay. Like you can be successful at keto. Like just get back on the bike, start climbing the stairs, or whatever it is again. Because we would never tell our child walking’s not for you, you’re gonna crawl the rest of your life.
Vivica: No that’s a great analogy. Thank you Lisa. I think that’s really good and I think I would like to take it wider and I mean it’s not just keto, but as your help. Because I think that both Lisa and I, we have our message here is really that keto is like one of the different facets that you can manage to get yourself healthy or stay healthy. For me, it’s one of the foundational pillars of health; doing the right kind of ketogenic diet. So yeah, I totally agree with you.
Dr. Lisa: Yeah, absolutely because I mean nutrition is the foundation of your cells and you probably get it all the time. I have no idea what your age is, but people will always look at me and like, “You’re how old? Like what type of beauty cream do you use?” And I’m like, “Well let me tell you anything that goes on his face is organic. But I’m like it’s the healthy fats in my diet.” Like that’s the thing. So it’s nutrition is so key and if that’s the only thing you’re gonna really do to switch things up then look at what you’re putting in your mouth because it becomes you.
Vivica: Hm-hmm, well this is awesome. Thank you so much Dr. Lisa. And can you tell us just a tiny bit about the keto summit?
Dr. Lisa: Yeah, for sure.
Vivica: [Crosstalk] [33:08] April 24th, right?
Dr. Lisa: Yeah, it starts April 24th. It’s a three-day event. So it started in my mind about a couple years ago trying to figure out how to help more people than those just within my practice. So the Keto 101 Summit is going to be a 3-day event. It is a virtual summit, so there’s a lot of confusion. Do you find that? A lot of confusion with online stuff. People have asked me where they have to drive to for this event. They don’t to drive anywhere.
Park your car in your garage, go over to your couch, turn on your iPad, or turn on your computer, and watch some amazing speakers i.e. Vivica [inaudible] [33:39]. But she’s one of our amazing speakers. So we’ve got… right now, we’ve got 20 speakers. So if some people are jumping on board, we might have more. I’m not sure where we’re gonna be at. But yeah, so April 24th to 27th go to keep… Well you put the link where they can register.
Vivica: Yeah, there will be a link for sure.
Dr. Lisa: And so for three days, you can have access to all of these speakers and what else I did. Like I said everything is in quite sized chunks for me, so they’re short presentations. They’re not our 2-hour long presentations. But they’re like 15 minutes, 30 minutes. The longest one I have is an hour, but you can pick and choose who you want to learn from and there’s all… Like you said lots of different varying opinions on keto, but we’ve got a lot of different people in there.
Vivica: Great! Well thank you so much. This was awesome and thank you for sharing your experience with you. And yes, good luck with everything and we’ll keep doing keto the right way, right?
Dr. Lisa: Yes, sounds great
Vivica: Okay, thank you Dr. Lisa.
Dr. Lisa: thank you
